Curse

Pompeyfan · Oct 19, 2005, 06:59 PM // 18:59

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Originally Posted by Mumoto

Copying over a build? wtf are you for dumb ass... I didn't do that you nazi.

Maybe you're INCAPABLE TO KNOW WHAT I DO WITH MY CHARACTER YOU BUMBLING IDIOT.

Anyways I retreat out of this stupid dumb-ass thread.

Are you a complete RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOing idiot or just having a good day? I did not say you copied your build, I haven't a clue what you do with your character (for all I know you could spend all your time running around trying to look up the skirts of the female mesmer's and Ele's

), and frankly I don't give a rats ass as when you're on here your village is obviously missing it's idiot. Especially as coming from Holland you should know what a Nazi is and what they did and have the common decency not to band the term about - perhaps you'd be better off going to school and learning your history rather than skiving off to play GW.

Pompeyfan · Oct 19, 2005, 07:14 PM // 19:14

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Originally Posted by MistressYichi

Ok dude, some of your posts dont make sense and some have a good argument.

First paragraph: Your skill points and exp have nothing to do with you getting fissure armor. What the hell does having 50 unused skill points have to do with the price of materials or the challenge to get to the armorer? Ok so you want to assign it as a quest and you can get it that way, what other armor/item in the game can u get that way? Can i get a req8, 15 over 50, 10/10 furious, +30 health Chaos axe too? if soo then i wont need to do all the quests for fissure as i can sell that and get it on my own.

Second paragraph: Yes getting out your credit card on ebay is one way of getting fissure and im sure that many people have done that. BUT for those that have invested the time in other chars (my monk WITH fissure is a pure healer) to get the materials and not to mention the time on that char. Not just anyone can pick up a new char and go farm UW/Griffons/Tengu/Grawl/SF. So if i invest my time in building a char to be able to farm and get the items/money to trade/buy for the stuff i need then why should i not be rewarded for my time?

Third Paragraph: Drop rates are just that ..... RANDOM. Thats why they are called rare drops. Numbers have proven that you have a better chance for drops if you can do it alone. THAT was the reason for all the farmers. Its people bitching that someone had something they wanted but couldnt get that got almost EVERY good farming area and EVERY good farming build nerfed to hell. Think, without farmers and you had to rely SOLEY on traders for materials, at 12 ectos fissure would be WAY more expensive than buying the ecto off a farmer at 10k. And have u ever noticed that by buying something from the trader often enough that the price will rise? how do you think that the price got so out of control in the first place. when they were low, EVERYONE and their brother bought them, i did. then resold them for the marked up profit. thats economics.

Fourth paragraph: again WTF does skill points have to do with Shards or Ecto? I dont recall having a skill in my bar that lets me reproduce ectos......... Fissure armor is a gold sink. nothing else. 99% of all collectors weapons are better than the godliest 200k weapon thats out there. Fissure armor is allowing a reward to the players that do play through the game. LAST time i checked, you had to be at least ascended to get into FoW or UW. Meaning that you have to play the game to have access to these areas. Then you still have to have favor, meaning that its a reward to those on that server for PLAYING THE GAME.

/catch breath

Lets try and explain ity to you in words you might undersatand - yes I know skill points have nothing to do with getting fissure, i never said they did, it was a suggestion that they could do.

You say (and I agree with you) that you spent time and effort building a character with which to farm to get the money/materials needed for fissure armour so deserved the reward, so tell me why it is you think that some one who took the time and effort to build a character to defeat the quests/missions (the point of the game incidently), not withstanding the time and effort required to get a competent party capable of doing them, is any less deserving of equal rewards?

BTW the reason I mentioned skill points is because that is the ONLY reward PvE players get for playing the game and they're essentially useless - especially once you've got the skills you want/need. PvP players get faction points (and quality drops) they can spend on stuff to use in pvp, so why is it so wrong that PvE p[layers can't spend their points on items to use in PvE?

The only reason I can think of that farmers wouldn't agree is because it gives the chance for players not interested in farming and who'd rather spend what time they have completing missions/quests to get the money/materials needed, so losing them a lot of customers.

Yichi · Oct 19, 2005, 08:06 PM // 20:06

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Originally Posted by Pompeyfan

Lets try and explain ity to you in words you might undersatand - yes I know skill points have nothing to do with getting fissure, i never said they did, it was a suggestion that they could do.

You say (and I agree with you) that you spent time and effort building a character with which to farm to get the money/materials needed for fissure armour so deserved the reward, so tell me why it is you think that some one who took the time and effort to build a character to defeat the quests/missions (the point of the game incidently), not withstanding the time and effort required to get a competent party capable of doing them, is any less deserving of equal rewards?

BTW the reason I mentioned skill points is because that is the ONLY reward PvE players get for playing the game and they're essentially useless - especially once you've got the skills you want/need. PvP players get faction points (and quality drops) they can spend on stuff to use in pvp, so why is it so wrong that PvE p[layers can't spend their points on items to use in PvE?

The only reason I can think of that farmers wouldn't agree is because it gives the chance for players not interested in farming and who'd rather spend what time they have completing missions/quests to get the money/materials needed, so losing them a lot of customers.

OK well there are rebuttals again to your argument:

first paragraph: while skill points COULD work with materials for fissure, then EVERY other material and item in the game woudl have to work the same way as too keep it balanced. im sorry but id rather not spend an hour trying to get enough exp for a skill point to go purchase a leather square when i can go buy one for what 180g?

second paragraph: I had and never will say that anyone that goes through the game to play it should be punished, but then you also cant reward a MAJOR item like an ecto or a shard just for doing a quest. thats what the drops are there for. Every trip that ive been into Uw or FoW i have seen at least 2 people walk out with ecto/shards so they arent impossible to get, when youre making them out to be that they are. What next? Should we award sup runes for changing professions? if that was the case, everyone and their brother would be switching to a warrior hoping for a sup absorb. Its again NOT balanced

Third paragraph: Did i miss the memo, but when did skill points become useless? you need them for unlocking skills to use in BOTH pve and pvp. last time i remembered there was no quest that constantly gave u cap sigs, only one that gave u a single one. there are also some skills that arent rewarded in quests that you purchase from trailers. and also, there are elite skills to go cap. last i remembered they can only be gotten from capturing them with cap sigs? am i wrong? also u can change professions at any given time. say you wanan expirement with different builds, youll need skill points to unlock new skills, or make a pvp char, but unless they are unlocked, you CANT use them anyway.... If we were to make a reward for being able to use points for items/runes/materials, you would have to make something different from skill points to be able to cash in for those rewards as the skill points are ment for unlocking and purchasing skilsl to use in both pve and pvp. you say that there is nothing for pve people to go spend their points on, and i agree while limited to the choices we have, i can still go to any trainer and buy a new skill whenever i want and i can use it as soon as i step outside of town. how am i not getting to spend my points on something i can use?

Fourth paragraph: While yes you can farm for the materials and such for your armor, you can also go into UW or FoW and do the quests and explore and gather items/materials while youre down there. The reason to go into those areas is to explore for places and items that are not available unless youve ascended and your server has favor. while yes they are a good place to farm for items, there are many other places that are used for farming as well. I personally had a good drop while EXPLORING the Fissure of Woe which netted me in some good money, i wont lie. BUT the bulk of my money came from exploring and salvaging materials from items that drop and waiting for the right time to sell them to the merchant or to players that need crafting materials. that was where the MAJORITY of my money in this game came from, as well as countless others in this game.

While there should be a better reward for clearing UW completely or FoW completely (other than the expierence and the exp reward) you can still make a good amount of money per run down there without finding exto or shards. Glittering dust drops like rain down in FoW, turn around and sell it to tthe material trader and bam. nice little chunk of profit. same with salving items and such that drop. You can sell clean max shadow shields for 500-1k a pop cause people will buy them for the "look" even if it is blank. if you even get 2 of those, you already came out ahead of what the price was to journey into FoW. Not to mention the remains that are 60g per pop, the countless staffs and bows you can salv wood from, the swords that can give u steel ignots..... the list goes on. i can go into FoW, make a crapload of exp for my char, get a skill point of two to get a new spell for main./secondary profession, and usually walk out with around making 5k or so after selling items to just the merchant. thats not counting any keys that will open chests for gold drops and such.

ANet designed fissure armor to be a challenge to get. every noob that comes across from pre should not have access to it, or the materials to get it. like everything else in life "IF YOU WANT SOMETHING, GO WORK FOR IT AND EARN IT" granted while earning items through questing can show skill and yes u did earn it, theres stil la part of it thats GIVEN to you. which doesnt make it as rare in the game as its supposed to be.

sorry /rant mode off

IPlayGuildWars · Oct 19, 2005, 08:23 PM // 20:23

It's true, not everyone should have fissure armor.
Not even 10% of the community should have it.
It's like Diablo 2, being level 99, except in the form of armor.

I don't know why people complain about fissure armor, you even say it does nothing, but you're complaining about it, making you want it.
Why would you want it when you say it doesn't do anything?

Banebow · Oct 19, 2005, 08:38 PM // 20:38

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Originally Posted by MistressYichi

ANet designed fissure armor to be a challenge to get. every noob that comes across from pre should not have access to it, or the materials to get it. like everything else in life "IF YOU WANT SOMETHING, GO WORK FOR IT AND EARN IT" granted while earning items through questing can show skill and yes u did earn it, theres stil la part of it thats GIVEN to you.

Experience points are also givin to you, so is faction, yet no one complains about that

I do not like the idea of spending skill points because then who would ever get shards with them? Everyone would go for the more money-worthy ectoplasms, which would plummet in price, causing substantial problems.

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Originally Posted by Mumoto

humble? ... people like him will piss on humble.

In not a single on of my posts on this entire forum have I ever been overly rude. In fact I have done my best to be polite, albeit in a sarcastic way. I would thank you to check the facts before making a claim.

Captain Krompdown · Oct 19, 2005, 08:42 PM // 20:42

I'd like to point out that Fissure Armor for warriors is ugly as sin.

If you are rich and enjoy looking like a walking trashcan, knock yourself out. I can afford fissure armor, but have no desire to give up my current armor for something that makes "me" look like a chicken-legged trashcan.

The helm is nice, tho. I'll get me one of them.

A better money sink would be (I THINK) having weapons that deteriorate over time and (therefore) either need to be replaced or repaired. There could be a repair shop where you had to pay a fee (based on the strength and rarity of your item) to have it repaired to like-new condition. Just like with cars in real life. If you have the same Honda Civic as everyone else, then it doesn't cost too much to fix. If you drive a Ferrari, you'll pay as much for a repair as someone else might for their Honda.

Just an idea.

Fissure armor (for warriors) is butt ugly.

Yichi · Oct 19, 2005, 09:38 PM // 21:38

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Originally Posted by Captain Krompdown

A better money sink would be (I THINK) having weapons that deteriorate over time and (therefore) either need to be replaced or repaired. There could be a repair shop where you had to pay a fee (based on the strength and rarity of your item) to have it repaired to like-new condition. Just like with cars in real life. If you have the same Honda Civic as everyone else, then it doesn't cost too much to fix. If you drive a Ferrari, you'll pay as much for a repair as someone else might for their Honda.

That would bring about a whole new delima as youd see an overabundance of casters since they dont use their weapon for dmg. warrios would fall off the map for the most part.

Yichi · Oct 19, 2005, 09:40 PM // 21:40

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Originally Posted by Banebow

Experience points are also givin to you, so is faction, yet no one complains about that

This is completely true, but when did buying a skill or item with faction or from a skill point gained from exp ever give you an item that was worth 11k at the present prices?

Melkor of ZoSo · Oct 19, 2005, 10:03 PM // 22:03

I swear, if one more person says "it's jsut collector's armor, it doesnt matter, you dont need it" then you're just painting yourself a redundant moron.

I'm not even complaining about WANTING Fissure Armor that bad.

I'm pointing out a disgusting hypocricy in ANet's game.

They're trying to reduce farming, and people who are trying to find exploits in order to gain gold. Ok. Good. I wish they could. But they keep the price of Fissure Armor (The main reason people farm in the first place... to get the useless cosmetic gear or to get a sword with a nice mod that in the end won't help at all) incredibly high.

ARENA NET IS ENCOURAGING EVERYTHING THEY OPENLY DISCOURAGE BY KEEPING FISSURE ARMOR THE PRICE IT IS.

Can no one see that?!

Hell, they'd make the economy 100x better if you could buy a perfect Sundering Crystaline of Fortitude 15>50 for 50k at Droknar's. People farm, people use ebay, people exploit this game because they want useless status symbols.

People wan't recognition for being the best of the best? give them golden armor and enormous PvE power-ups if they have held control of HoH for a certain period of time. Do something... But if they want to stop exploitation, they need to take away the cause. People exploit because they want that perfect sword that will only do an extra two damage to a Stone Summit. People want the armor that looks cool, but does nothing. It's a money sink, yes... but think about it....

How much money would a sink have to drain if people would stop trying so hard to bring money into the economy in the first place?

Banebow · Oct 19, 2005, 10:26 PM // 22:26

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Originally Posted by MistressYichi

This is completely true, but when did buying a skill or item with faction or from a skill point gained from exp ever give you an item that was worth 11k at the present prices?

Good point, which is one of the reasons I said I did not approve of the idea.

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Originally Posted by Melkor of ZoSo

But they keep the price of Fissure Armor...incredibly high.

Actualy, that is mainly the community. If everyone suddenly stopped buying ectoplasms, and sold any they had to the trader, the price would go down drastically. As was said earlier, the actual crafting price of FoW armor is the same as 15k armor. The materials are not. I would love a way to earn the materials through quests, and I do not care whether it would take me 6 hours to get two ectos from the UW, because as I have said before, farming is not my thing. Now, besides the fact that ANet will not realistically make any changes suggested in this thread, many, many people seem to not like the idea, seem to think it would make FoW armor a piece of cake to get and not require any work. I obviously disagree with this, but have said as much and more before.

Now, if only ANet would step in and tell us why they have reduced the drops so badly in UW and FoW as to make it well-nigh unattainable without large farming investments, and I would be a happy man

Melkor of ZoSo · Oct 19, 2005, 10:34 PM // 22:34

So would I.

I want to know why it's not possible to get Fissure Armor if we're starting now.

Banebow · Oct 19, 2005, 10:37 PM // 22:37

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Originally Posted by Melkor of ZoSo

I want to know why it's not possible to get Fissure Armor if we're starting now.

You'll notice I did not say impossible, merely much more difficult than it was originally.

Loviatar · Oct 19, 2005, 10:58 PM // 22:58

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Originally Posted by Melkor of ZoSo

So would I.

I want to know why it's not possible to get Fissure Armor if we're starting now.

farm for a year and you can get it.

ferrari taste with a moped budget

this is not for the casual gamer
this is not for the average gamer
this is not for the avid gamer

this is for the super dedicated gamer (less than .1 %)

Jigs · Oct 20, 2005, 03:32 AM // 03:32

This is a place to put our ideas what we want to have in the game. Any people could post ideas in here no matter how dumb other people may think it is. This is also a place where people could give comment on your ideas, but try to comment in a positive and corrective way and avoid flaming and used of vulgar words. Check the code of conduct thread. i forgot the link.

Jigs · Oct 20, 2005, 03:36 AM // 03:36

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Originally Posted by Loviatar

farm for a year and you can get it.

ferrari taste with a moped budget

this is not for the casual gamer
this is not for the average gamer
this is not for the avid gamer

this is for the super dedicated gamer (less than .1 %)

Originally Posted by Melkor of ZoSo
So would I.

I want to know why it's not possible to get Fissure Armor if we're starting now.

yeah, it's not for casual, average, avid players but for super dedicated players but I see it would become a big problem to new players who might be super dedicated player. They might want the fissure armor so bad and become super, super dedicated and might even forget that they have a real life

or if you want to start working on fissure armor now, you must be more than super dedicated player. You must become super insanely mad dedicated player.

Mumoto · Oct 20, 2005, 09:36 AM // 09:36

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Originally Posted by Jigs

This is a place to put our ideas what we want to have in the game. Any people could post ideas in here no matter how dumb other people may think it is. This is also a place where people could give comment on your ideas, but try to comment in a positive and corrective way and avoid flaming and used of vulgar words. Check the code of conduct thread. i forgot the link.

Avoid suck-upping too.

Knight of Eternal Darknes · Oct 20, 2005, 03:38 PM // 15:38

Fissure armor is possible to get, you can farm for it when people first found out about the 15k armor a lot of people couldnt afford it, armors are becoming the only things that seperate what some people can and cannot get, before sarrow's furnace, it would be almost impossible to get a perfect upgraded weapon and the traders had all the weapons people wanted and could not get because they didn't farm or didnt trade and didnt have gold and people complained about that, FoW/UW are supposed to be the hardest places to fight in the game other than arenas, the reason why they lowered the drop rate on ecto was because people were using the 55 monk build to get and the same people who were trying to get fissure armor were most likely using the build aswell and are now complaining that it's impossible to get fissure armor because the ecto/shard is hard to optain look at the ecto as being a rare item from a mission or something, you're not gonna get them every run and when you get ecto it doesn't say common crafting material it says rare crafting material if you want to avoid having to farm for hours and hours go to UW and do 2 man smite runs 1 55monk/1echo nuker and stop comlaining about the economy being all messed up because anet is not gonna change the last thing rich players have over other players

N8DOGG · Oct 20, 2005, 07:55 PM // 19:55

Does Anyone have current (within the last few days) pictures of the materials needed for each class of FoW armor?

I'd like to start my 6 month farming trip to save up but I need to know what to save for.

I don't like the fact that the prices of ecto keeps going up but till something hotter comes along I will have to try and get FoW armor. But maybe when the next installment comes out FoW may be easier to obtain.
N8

Savio · Oct 20, 2005, 08:03 PM // 20:03

N8DOGG, go do a search on Fissure armor requirements, it doesn't change.

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I'm closing this thread not because there aren't some ideas worth exploring in it, but because it's pretty much degenerated into flaming. Next time, try giving just a suggestion and not bringing up any debates. That can be discussed somewhere else.